Windows 7 won't break ties with Vista, goes public in November

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Angus Kidman19 September 2008, 7:27 PM

Microsoft's plans for Windows 7 remain ambitious, with 100% backward compatibility for Vista applications one of the features it hopes to have ready for public display in November.


In the latest post on the company's Engineering Windows 7 blog , Windows 7 senior engineering manager Steven Sinofsky confirms that maintaining compatibility with Vista applications is high on the Windows 7 to-do list.

"We want to make sure that programs that run on Windows Vista continue to run on Windows 7," Sinofsky wrote. "That's a commitment we have made from the start of the project. As we all know this is perhaps the most critical aspect of delivering a new operating system in terms of compatibility."

Sinofsky also obliquely acknowledged that this goal wasn't achieved in the transition from Windows XP, despite Vista having Microsoft's largest ever beta testing program. "Sometimes we don't do everything we can do and each release we look at how we can test and verify a broader set of software before we release. Beta tests help for sure but lack the systematic rigor we require."

The lukewarm reaction to Vista in the marketplace has led to widespread speculation that Windows 7 would adopt a radically cut-down architecture and try to ditch some of its heritage ties. While the interface may well prove to be different, and some of that compatibility could conceivably be delivered through virtual machines, Sinofsky's comments reinforce that Microsoft isn't ready to cut the Vista apron strings just yet.

Elsewhere in the entry he explicitly rejects the notion of a cut-down Windows architecture: "Some have said that an ecosystem is not the best approach -- that we could do a much better job for customers if we reduce the "surface area" of Windows and support fewer devices, fewer PCs, fewer applications, and less of Windows’ past or legacy. Judging by the variety of views we've seen I think folks desire a lot of choice . . . in reality such a view would result in a radical and ever-shrinking reduction in the choices available for consumers."

Maintaining that compatibility will have to be balanced with another goal for Windows 7: shifting more users from current 32-bit platforms to 64-bit releases. "We've been very clear about our view that 64-bit is a place for developers to spend their energy as that is a transition well underway and a place where we are clearly focused," Sinofsky said.

The blog also confirmed the widely held suspicion that many key Windows 7 technologies and features will be shown off at WinHEC, Microsoft's annual hardware engineering conference, which is being held in Los Angeles in November.

"At WinHEC we have a chance to show the advances in Windows 7 around devices and the hardware ecosystem," Sinofsky wrote. (APC will be attending WinHEC and offering coverage of all the major news from that event.)

Sinofsky dropped a hint that Microsoft might encourage PC vendors to include less 'crapware' on machines that come with Vista pre-installed, writing of discussions with manufacturers. "Together we have been sharing views on ways to provide differentiated  PC experiences, customer feedback on pre-loaded software, and partnering on the end-to-end measurement of the performance of new PCs on key metrics such as boot and shutdown." (Improving boot times  is among the major goals for Windows 7.)

Recent online rumours have suggested that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid-2009, but most market watchers are predicting a 2010 or later release. Microsoft, as ever, has not announced a target release date this early in the development cycle.

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Raindog (Advanced Forumologist):

"Sinofsky dropped a hint that Microsoft might encourage PC vendors to include less 'crapware' on machines that come with Vista pre-installed, "

Where do these jack-asses get off, They still believe they own the desktop. If MS wants to fight crapware they could set a good example by whittling out all the half baked MS application that bloat their OS.



19 September 2008, 10:07 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

u752181 (New user):

I see because you don't want it no one else should have it.

20 September 2008, 11:44 AM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting u752181:
I see because you don't want it no one else should have it.

What on earth are you talking about? It's nothing to do with my preferences. I'll say it again slowly! "It is arrogant for MS to feel they can dictate that others should not load crapware, while at the same time they see fit to bloat their own OS with crapware and lacklustre applications."


20 September 2008, 7:23 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (Cornerstone member):

Well, thats what's been assumed. If you actually read Sinofsky's quote, its not exactly that Blunt.

21 September 2008, 10:24 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Hemma:
Well, thats what's been assumed.

Sinofsky dropped a hint that Microsoft might encourage PC vendors to include less 'crapware' on machines that come with Vista pre-installed

Unless you are suggesting fabrication on the part of the author, then this is fact not assumption. The only assumption I have made is to assume Angus has accurately reported what was said. Do you have any reason to suggest this is not he case? Whether Sinofsky has actually expressed those sentiments to PC vendors or not, does nothing to reduce the arrogance of such a suggestion.




21 September 2008, 10:35 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (Cornerstone member):

Lets look at this whole quote:

"Together we have been sharing views on ways to provide differentiated PC experiences, customer feedback on pre-loaded software, and partnering on the end-to-end measurement of the performance of new PCs on key metrics such as boot and shutdown."

How is this arrogant? Yes, it is saying that they may include less crapware (but then it could also mean other methods of delivery).... but i don't see why you need to be so angry so early about this... afterall, its about the end-user's experience.... Just wait and see what actually comes out the other end of this process.....

And BTW, I'm not suggesting that Angus wrote a crap article full of fabrications. But I just don't think that 'Dropping a Hint' is not the same as 'Dropping a Bombshell'...

22 September 2008, 10:08 AM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Hemma:
How is this arrogant?

It isn't, but it in no way reduces the arrogance of the first statement.


Quoting Hemma:
Yes, it is saying that they may include less crapware

It is saying that MS intends to put pressure on hardware vendors, that is arrogant.

Quoting Hemma:
but i don't see why you need to be so angry so early about this...

I am not angry about this at all, I'll call a spade a spade. However I don't take kindly to the suggestion of "if you actually read", implying that somehow I had not done so.





22 September 2008, 12:55 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
However I don't take kindly to the suggestion of "if you actually read", implying that somehow I had not done so.

Hahaha now you're taking what I said in a way that I've never intended. Sorry. Me bad engrish. Anyway, I am still not convinced that its an act of arrogance.


22 September 2008, 9:26 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
If MS wants to fight crapware they could set a good example by whittling out all the half baked MS application that bloat their OS.


Yep. Though with Vista, you'd end up almost with nothing left then.

20 September 2008, 10:42 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (Cornerstone member):

Heh. Did you come up with that all by yourself?

21 September 2008, 10:25 PM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

LostBenji (Cornerstone member):

Will be interesting to see if the crapware idea is ever acted upon. So many blame Vista for being a pig yet when you look at the complainers system, its full of it.

20 September 2008, 4:32 PM (2 months ago)