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Angus Kidman07 July 2008, 1:26 PM

The public might have had a win against eBay about banning all payment methods other than PayPal, but don't expect eBay to back down completely, tail between legs.


The ACCC might have blocked eBay Australia's plans to make PayPal the only accepted payment method, but eBay sellers who now want eBay to remove the requirement to include PayPal as an option on all listings are quite possibly barking up the wrong tree, while there is a change they should be actively pushing for instead.

Perhaps flushed with a sense of victory over eBay's backdown from the plan last week, many sellers are now arguing that eBay shouldn't be able to make including PayPal as one of the payment options on all listings as a requirement. This policy came into effect as stage 1 of eBay's plan on May 21 (and has been a requirement for all newly-registered sellers since January 2007).

While stage 2 has effectively been abandoned, eBay has been very clear that the stage 1 element will remain. "Although we have decided not to move ahead with the further planned changes, eBay is pleased that all buyers can now choose PayPal along with other permitted payment methods of their choice," its backdown notice said .

In recent media interviews, local VP Simon Smith has appeared to suggest that the ACCC has effectively endorsed the stage 1 policy. That in turn has led to a new round of complaints to the ACCC, asking it to make eBay remove the "include PayPal in all listings" requirement.

However, random comments in a media interview do not ACCC policy make. A closer examination of the ACCC policy suggests that there's a subtle difference between forcing use of a single payment method, and requiring that sellers include one payment method along with others of their choosing.

What actually matters

Much of the confusion arises because by the time the ACCC issued its draft determination on June 12, eBay had already introduced the requirement that PayPal be an option on all listings. While the ACCC asked eBay not to pursue the second stage of the policy, it never offered any specific opinion on stage 1.

eBay's original request for authorisation for exemption from competition law did include both elements of the plan. However, the requirement that new sellers offer PayPal on their listings has now been in place for 18 months, and hadn't attracted any previous legal attention.

The crux of the issue is in the statutory test which the ACCC has to apply when assessing anti-competitive behaviour, and in particular the concept of "exclusive dealing". As its draft notice on eBay explains:

"The practice of exclusive dealing includes the supply of goods or services on condition that the purchaser will not acquire, or will limit the acquisition of goods or services from a competitor of the supplier, where the condition has the purpose, effect or likely effect of substantially lessening competition."

Making people only use PayPal would clearly satisfy the "will not acquire" clause, and has now been abandoned. The current argument essentially centres over whether having a policy that PayPal must be included would "limit the acquisition of goods or services from a competitor".

Sellers who don't want to have to include PayPal on listings have argued that the prominence of PayPal in payment screens means that the likelihood of a non-PayPal option being chosen is indeed limited. However, there remains a difference between not allowing someone to use alternative methods, and making some methods more visible than others. The ACCC doesn't stop stores displaying signage promoting the use of particular credit cards; why would it choose to block the promotion of PayPal if other options are made available?

Better alternatives

Where eBay might still be getting itself into hot water is by routinely pulling listings which specify a preferred method of payment. Introduced on November 16 2007, its "misleading and discouraging payments" policy blocks promotion of a particular method in a listing over alternatives, or specifying that only certain payment methods can be used by certain groups of customers (such as international buyers) . The policy has been routinely enforced on sellers who try to impose any conditions on the use of PayPal. It wouldn't be too cynical to assume that this policy was introduced in anticipation of pushing PayPal onto all buyers — and as such, it may attract the ACCC's attention when assessing the remaining policy.

The other area where eBay might be forced to modify its policies is in not allowing sellers to pass on the charges that are imposed by PayPal to buyers. In its submission to the ACCC, the Reserve Bank noted that eBay not allowing sellers to pass on these fees minimised the ability for merchants to exert competitive pressures on those fees, and that similar arrangements with credit cards had ultimately been banned.

Rather than trying to get PayPal banned altogether, sellers might do better to push for happily offering PayPal, but letting its real cost be reflected for buyers via a surcharge, who could then make their own choice about security versus cost tradeoffs. That is a scenario the ACCC has very much favoured: "The ACCC believes that consumers are in the best position to decide which payment method is most suitable for them." Maximising choice, but making the cost of that choice clear, seems the best way forward.


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Sick of eBay (User):

Great article but can I say it isnt about the paypal fee it is about the safety of the whole payment.
Sellers risk losing the funds if something goes wrong.
If they cant afford the fee well they arent really a business are they.
Its about the poor sellers like a coin seller who lost $6000 in fraud and any high value seller has to worry about being scammed.

07 July 2008, 2:21 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ZeePink (New user):

Mind you sellers can always fight back. They can actually offer a higher postage and handling if buyer opted to pay with paypal. There is nothing on ebay rules and guideline that mention anything about single postage and handling fee across all payment methods.

07 July 2008, 3:53 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ZeePink (New user):

Funny that ebay been caught out with anti competition. While apple and ipod are still at large.

07 July 2008, 3:54 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

http://tnetech.net (New user):

If only there was something better than ebay that people would use. The fact is that eBay can do as they like because everyone knows who they are.
Even my mum (who turns on her laptop twice a week) knows what eBay is and what people do there. Although she doesn't know how to did it herself.
Like Microsoft they have the market cornered and this sort of think is the result.
Absolute power corrupts.....

http://tnetech.net

07 July 2008, 7:46 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Advanced Forumologist):

Wait... Sellers can't state that certain buyer groups must pay by certain methods? What's with the tonnes of sellers saying "international buyers must use PayPal"? eBay don't seem to mind those ones (never once seen one of those pulled, and I've watched plenty).

Anyway, if I was a seller, I'd be requiring traceable and insured shipping on any item paid for with PayPal. Plenty of buyers would see the increased cost on shipping as a reason to not use PayPal... And that's the only way to be safe as a seller given PayPal's insane trust of buyers.

07 July 2008, 10:28 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

charlie (User):

eBay pays the price for PayPal debacle
Print Normal font Large font It's hard to imagine anyone doing more damage to eBay's reputation than the auction giant has done to itself over the past few months.

Finally bowing to public (and potential legal) pressure, eBay last week announced it has scrapped plans to force its members onto the PayPal payment system, which it owns, by excluding all other payment options except cash on delivery.

Everyone from the Reserve Bank to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission could see it was anti-competitive and monopolistic. EBay insisted it was for the protection of the buyers and sellers. My only surprise was that it could maintain this public stance with a straight face.

Yet these kind of proposals aren't new. You pay a "fee" to someone who in return won't trash your business ... I think you get the idea. Since the PayPal plan offered eBay members no choice but to use its own "protected" payment system for a fee, I don't think it's a far-fetched analogy.

"Big deal," you might say, "just spruik your wares somewhere else." Sure, if you're just clearing out your garage. The trouble is plenty of users have started home businesses with eBay, so their livelihood depends on the service being fair with its fee structure. PayPal essentially amounts to eBay double-dipping on each transaction. For cheap items, that eats away what little profit there was.

Now, eBay is using a more subtle approach. A change introduced on May 21 means sellers must list PayPal as one of the payment options. However, sellers aren't allowed to say they prefer another method, such as bank transfer, or they risk having their listing pulled without a refund. If eBay applied the same diligence into weeding out scammers, surely that would result in the "safer experience" that it claims PayPal will achieve?

The pre-emptive withdrawal of the PayPal proposal - the ACCC was to announce its decision on the same day - was the culmination of a bad publicity run for eBay that included being fined EUR40 million ($65.4 million) by a French commercial court over counterfeit Louis Vuitton goods. The damage this has done to the eBay brand remains to be seen but, to give it credit, it has at least settled one pay dispute, even if it was its own.


08 July 2008, 7:36 AM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phill (New user):

Hello to you all - there is an alternative.
sellmystuff.com.au. you decide how to run your business, you choose a safe payment method that suits your business. Its cheaper, 60 thousand times less hassle and stress and so easy you will nearly feint when you compare the listing process. Loyal following already and evolving quickly.

Phill

09 July 2008, 9:12 AM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sick of eBay (User):

Like a battered wife ebay sellers are.
They stick around for more and more abuse and do nothing about it,I seen a comment theother day about someone complaining to pay a $5 fee on a new site and I thought to myself no wonder ebay are trying to get rid of hobby sellers.
I think it is time ebay moved to more upmarket, even oztion is sarting to look like a junk heap with the pictures and unprofessional listings sellers are putting up.
Thats the thing with near free sites every one loads up all their junk because it doesnt cost them.
If they charged somethingthen only serious sellers would be listing.

09 July 2008, 9:21 AM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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